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  1. In regards to Leviticus passage on “shame” or “nakedness” I would agree that one is more direct in it’s meaning but the other is showing depth. As a child I knew what shame meant, as in cover your shame. Instead of my explaining I checked with John Gill on the subject as well as the LXX. From the Greek OT–*[[Lev 18:6]] ABP2006 wo cr* The man, a man [to any family member of his flesh shall not draw near] to uncover their indecency. I am the LORD. to uncover [their] nakedness; that is, those parts, which, by a contrary way of speaking, are so called, which should never be naked or exposed to view; but should be always covered, as nature teaches to do, and as our first parents did, when they perceived themselves naked, and were ashamed, Ge 3:7: this phrase signifies the same as to lie with another, or have carnal knowledge of them, wherefore the following laws are generally understood of incestuous marriages; for if such an action is not to be done between persons standing in such a relation, as here in general, and afterwards more particularly described, then there ought to be no intermarriages between them; and if such marriages are forbidden, and such actions unlawful in a married state, then much more in an unmarried one; wherefore the several following instances are so many breaches of the seventh command, Ex 20:14, and so many explications and illustrations of it, and consequently of a moral nature, and binding upon all men, Jews and Gentiles:. I know that when reading one doesn’t desire to think too much on any single word…but, sometimes there is meaning that isn’t necessarily plain and superficial, as I believe in this case.

    • Ephesians 6:12
      1599 Geneva Bible
      12 [a]For we wrestle not against flesh and [b]blood, but against [c]principalities, against powers, and against the worldly governors, the princes of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness, which are in the high places.

      Ephesians 6:12
      King James Version
      12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

  2. The differences between the 1599 Geneva Bible and the 1611 King James Version of the Bible are apparent. The King James Version of the Bible eliminated the marginal notes that had been a popular feature for those who used them as a study guide in the 1599 Geneva Bible. Furthermore, the Old Testament from the 1560 and 1599 Geneva Bible was translated directly from the Greek Old Testament and the Hebrew Septuagint scriptures, while the 1611 King James Version of the Bible was compiled from previous English translations of the Old Testament.

    • In Ephesians 6:12 Geneva has the word governers as the KJV doesn’t ! Find that interesting! Still comparing these two as of lately!!

    • Very Powerful Point
      Do you have convincing evidence that this is a fact?
      I’m not disputing – only asking as I’d think this is a very important consideration.

  3. If you look in the preface of a modern Bible, you will probably find a reference to the Septuagint, or LXX for short. The translators of all modern Bibles, including the New King James, use the Septuagint along with other texts in translating the Bible. They claim that the Septuagint contains true readings not found in the preserved Hebrew text. Thus they give it great importance. But what is the Septuagint? Here’s how the legend goes:

    The Septuagint is claimed to have been translated between 285-246 BC during the reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus of Alexandria, Egypt. His librarian, supposedly Demetrius of Phalerum, persuaded Philadelphus to get a copy of the Hebrew Scriptures. Then the Scriptures (at least Genesis to Deuteronomy) were translated into the Greek language for the Alexandrian Jews. This part of the story comes from early church historian Eusebius (260-339 AD). Scholars then claim that Jesus and His apostles used this Greek Bible instead of the preserved Hebrew text.
    Did Jesus Use the Septuagint?

    Authors David W. Daniels and Jack McElroy answer questions critics ask about the King James Bible.

    The Letter of Aristeas
    The whole argument that the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek before the time of Christ rests upon a single document. All other historical evidence supporting the argument either quotes or references this single letter.

    In this so-called Letter of Aristeas, the writer presents himself as a close confidant of king Philadelphus. He claims that he persuaded Eleazar, the high priest, to send with him 72 scholars from Jerusalem to Alexandria, Egypt. There they would translate the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, forming what we now call the Septuagint.

    Jewish historian Josephus, Jewish mystic Philo (both first century AD) and others add to the story. Some say the 72 were shut in separate cells and “miraculously” wrote each of their versions word-for-word the same. They say that this proves “divine inspiration” of the entire Septuagint.

    Thus, the Septuagint is claimed to exist at the time of Jesus and the apostles, and that they quoted from it instead of the preserved Hebrew text. This story has been passed around for centuries. But is it the truth? Was this Septuagint really written before the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus and His apostles? Did they quote it? Was it really inspired by God? And if the story is a fake, why make up the story? Is there another reason to get people to use (or believe in) the Septuagint?

    The verifiable facts:

    The writer of this letter, Aristeas, claims to have been a Greek court official during the time of Philadelphus’ reign. He claims to have been sent by Demetrius to request the best scholars of Israel to bring a copy of the Hebrew scriptures to Alexandria to start the Septuagint translation project. He even goes so far as to give names of Septuagint scholars, yet many of the names he gives are from the Maccabean era, some 75 years too late. Many of them are Greek names, definitely not the names of Hebrew scholars. There are many other evidences that this letter is from a different time period, and is thus a fake. The writer is lying about his identity.
    The supposed “librarian,” Demetrius of Phalerum (ca. 345-283) served in the court of Ptolemy Soter. Demetrius was never the librarian under Philadelphus.
    The letter quotes the king telling Demetrius and the translators, when they arrived, how wonderful it was that they came on the anniversary of his “naval victory over Antigonus” (Aristeas 7:14). But the only such recorded Egyptian naval victory occurred many years after Demetrius death, so the letter is a fraud!
    The Letter of Aristeas is a hoax that doesn’t even fit the time period in which it claims to have been written. And since the other ancient writers merely add to this story, it is clear that the story itself of a pre-Christian Septuagint is a fraud. Even critical textual scholars admit that the letter is a hoax. Yet they persist in quoting the Letter of Aristeas as proof of the existence of the Septuagint before Christ.
    New Testament evidence
    Many scholars claim that Christ and his apostles used the Septuagint, preferring it above the preserved Hebrew text found in the temple and synagogues. But if the Greek Septuagint was the Bible Jesus used, he would not have said,

    “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18)
    Why would Jesus not have said this? Because the jot is a Hebrew letter, and the tittle is a small mark to distinguish between Hebrew letters. If Jesus used the Greek Septuagint, His scriptures would not have contained the jot and tittle. He obviously used the Hebrew scriptures!

    In addition, Jesus only mentioned the scripture text in two ways, (1) “The Law and the Prophets” and (2) “The Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms”:

    “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” Luke 24:44
    The Hebrews divide their Bible into three parts: the Law, the Prophets and the Writings. Jesus clearly referred to this. The Septuagint had no such division. In fact, it contains Apocryphal books interspersed throughout the Old Testament. The sequence is so hopelessly mixed up that Jesus could not possibly have been referring to it!

    Who is pushing the Septuagint?
    So why do we still hear the story? Why do people give it a second thought? Are there other reasons why they still try to use the Septuagint to find “original readings” that were supposedly “lost from the Hebrew”?.

    Roman Catholics Need It

    According to the Roman Catholic Douay Bible:

    “…the Septuagint, the Greek translation from the original Hebrew, and which contained all the writings now found in the Douay version, as it is called, was the version used by the Saviour and his Apostles and by the Church from her infancy, and translated into Latin, known under the title of Latin Vulgate, and ever recognized as the true version of the written word of God” —Preface,1914 edition.

    So Roman Catholics desperately want the Septuagint to be genuine —even inspired! You see, the so-called Septuagint is where they got the Apocrypha (books that are not inspired and have no place in our Bibles). If the Septuagint goes, then the Apocrypha goes with it!

    Ecumenical Textual Critics Need It

    The supposed text of the Septuagint is found today only in certain manuscripts. The main ones are: Codex Sinaiticus (Aleph); Codex Vaticanus (B); and Codex Alexandrinus (A). That’s right. The Alexandrian manuscripts are the very texts we call the Septuagint!

    In his Introduction to The Septuagint with Apocrypha: Greek and English (1851) Sir Lancelot Brenton describes how some critical scholars have attempted to call the Septuagint by its real name, the Alexandrian Text, but the name never stuck. Thus he admits that they are one and the same.

    So we have textual critics who believe desperately in the 45 Alexandrian manuscripts (against more than 5,000 copies favoring the Textus Receptus). They use these to translate all modern New Testaments. But these Alexandrian manuscripts also include the Septuagint Old Testament (with the Apocrypha). They have fallen for a trap.

    Catholics now argue the following: If you accept the Alexandrian text (which modern scholars use as the basis for all new translations) for your New Testament, then you also have to accept the rest of the Alexandrian text (Septuagint) , which includes the Apocrypha. What we are seeing is the development of an ecumenical Bible, including the Apocrypha. Some versions have already gone this way. For many Protestants, all roads are truly leading to Rome.

    We Don’t Need It.

    But do we Christians need the Alexandrian manuscripts? Not at all! For the Old Testament we have the Preserved Words of God in the Hebrew Masoretic text. For the New Testament we have the 5,000-plus manuscripts in Greek, plus the many early translations spread abroad, to witness to the actual words of Christ and His apostles.
    So the Septuagint story is a hoax. It was not written before Christ; so it was not used by Jesus or His apostles. It is the only set of manuscripts to include the Apocrypha mixed in with the books of the Bible, so as to justify the Roman Catholic inclusion of them in their Bibles. And it is just those same, perverted Alexandrian codices —the same ones that mess up the New Testament —dressed up in pretty packaging.

  4. Sorry about my last comment. I failed to finish it.

    Please someone help me to determine if the following verses are what the KJV always said. They seem very strange to me. Here are the two passages: 1Chronicles 29:1 and 29:19, both of which call the Temple a palace in the KJV. 1Chron 11:5,7 refers to Zion as a castle! And 1 Kings 14:10; 16:11. I won’t even include the words of those two verses in this comment. Please look them up and let me know if the King James Bible always said these things. I really do need someone’s help to sort through this. Thanks!

    • Hello TJ. I think you are referring to the Mandela Effect. I consider it another psyop akin to Flat Earth. CIA or some other spooks are trying to mess with the minds of Bible believing Christians!

      1 Chronicles 29:1  ¶Furthermore David the king said unto all the congregation, Solomon my son, whom alone God hath chosen, is yet young and tender, and the work is great: for the palace is not for man, but for the LORD God.

      19  And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

      According to the context of those verses, the palace is referring to the temple which Solomon built.

      1 Chronicles 11:5  And the inhabitants of Jebus said to David, Thou shalt not come hither. Nevertheless David took the castle of Zion, which is the city of David.
      7 And David dwelt in the castle…

      According to the context of those verses, the castle is referring to the entire old city of Jerusalem which was encompassed by a wall.

      I don’t see anything in 1 Kings 14:16, and 16:11 that has anything to do with that. But yes, the KJV always said that and CERN did NOT change it! God’s Word is unchangeable!!! Psalms 119:89  For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

      • Hello and blessings to ya. While not a salvation issue flat earth is most definitely not a psyop. Bible clearly explains a enclosed cosmology and stationary earth. Many proofs you can do your self. Sun and moon are very close and just lights as God says. No one knows it all but God tells Job in chapter 38 so if ya know my creation and seen foundations set tell me…to say its a psyop is a discredit to those who are saved from it like atheists and lukewarm and many more. The Lord revealed this to world to see truly wake people up cause end is near. We do not live on a spinning water ball and we are covered by the firmament. God sits on his throne and watches his creation and hes close not distant. Bless you in name of Jesus

        • Hello Nick. Thank you for your comment but I beg to differ with you. The earth is NOT a spinning water ball. Please see https://www.jamesjpn.net/conspiracy/is-the-earth-a-spinning-ball/

          Fact: I live on an island in the Pacific, Guam, and I see beautiful sunsets over the ocean in a western direction regularly. The sun disappears over the water horizon. It does not simply vanish, it is covered by the earth. Geometry tells me this indicates the ocean is curved for it to do that. Half of the earth is illuminated by the sun and half of the earth is not illuminated by the sun at ALL times. This is my observation. NASA didn’t tell me that, my knowledge of geometry tells me that. To deny that is to say geometry is false mathematics. I sincerely hope you don’t think so. In Jesus’ Name I pray!

          • the theory of flat earth assumes a smaller sun and moon, both of the same size and emitting their own light.

            example for this is when testing the temperature with an infrared thermometer at night. I’ve seen it.

            when expose to the light of the moon the temperature is up to 1-1.5celsius colder than in the shadow. while we should observe the opposite if it was reflecting the light of the sun. moreover, there are many instances of seeing stars through what should be the moon when it is out and the sky is still clear.

            Also it defies the laws of physics. water, whatever it’s container, always find its level. Sea level.

            Gravity in my opinion is the god of scientism. The science that works only on paper. Everything can. e explained with electromagnetism, density and buoyancy.

            as for the sun setting over the horizon. that is a matter of perspective/line of sight. Our eyes can only see up to 3miles away on a flat and straight distance. nowadays we have technology that allows us to see further than that and many experiment have been done to prove that building/structures/boat that should be hundreds of feet below the horizon can actually be visible with the proper lense to zoom.

            and if we believe the Bible to be the word of God, therefore the ultimate truth, we must conclude that the firmament is a solid barrier [raqia] that divides the waters [space/heaven] from above from the waters from below. [sheol]. Also that the earth is fixed on its foundation/stationary. that the sun and the moon are within the firmament land are luminaries .

            there are just about 200 bible verse that seem to depict a flat earth.

            is the Word of God the truth? Are we misinterpreting it all? or could it be that the ruler of this world/Satan uses science to draw people away from God by pushing that the earth is billions of years old[contrary to thr bible] that life came from non life, that we were not made in God’s image but rather we evolved from a bacteria, to a fish to a dinosaur to monkey to now be civilized man?

            how can you trust your own thoughts if it’s all just random sequence kf chemicals?

            it’s clear that there is design to it all and maybe all of this did not fool you, but look around, it fooled many and a lot of young teenagers are atheists now.

            this is a big rabbit hole and it took me years before I even considered looking into it and then it took me about 2 years of almost constant research and study to realize, I don’t have all the answers, but all the space community worldwide is lying. Most without their own knowledge.

            space was always a fascinating topic for me. I mean who would not be mesmerized, we are a speck of dust in infinite who arrived to this point by chance of circumstances. All the “pictures” the theories, black hole, wormhole , quantum physics other galaxies and planets.

            it makes human seem insignificant. like we have no ultimate purpose and it makes us questions what’s out there more than why, what and how are we here.

            the devil was often referred to as sun god. people used to worship the sun and today they still do with the sun being the CENTER of our universe/galaxy when in fact we are.

            the sun goes around the earth not the other way around.

            have you ever looked at flight paths? some of them makes no sense on a glove.

            how come people have circumnavigated from east to west, west to east but never north to south or south to north?
            magnetic north is the north pole. with the 4 rivers like in Genesis. Look at the Mercator map.
            Gerard Mercator was a renowned cartographer. He was knows for His precision.
            And the adventure of Admiral Byrd at the south pole which was followed with an extensive military operation, the creation of Nasa and the antarctic treaty

            I and look-up all the “666” in the globe theory. it’s almost funny. I could keep on going for hours

            Hope this helps. God bless

  5. “Shame” does NOT mean “nakedness” and it is wrong to say “shame” when you mean “nakedness”. When accuracy and fidelity are important, as they are with The Holy Bible.

    Just like it is wrong to say “sexual immorality” (as in modern versions) instead of “adultery” and claim it is for “clarity” when adultery has a specific meaning. “Sexual immorality” is a squishy, slimy, slippery way to speak about it. The homosexual-dominated “Metropolitan Church” has its own interpretation. Doctrines and interpretations in context of the entirety of scripture can vary, as we know that the first two and greatest commandments are immovable and reign over the rest of them, for example. But deliberately translating something wrong is an evil thing to do.

    KING JAMES DID NOT INITIATE THE TRANSLATION!
    About this: “Some people have attacked the KJV saying it was based on the Roman Catholic Vultage and / or changed according to the whims of King James of England.”

    King James wanted to bring peace among the various factions that had clashed so violently, the Calivinists, the Puritans, the Catholics. So he gathered them together in the 1604 Hampton Conference, seeking a way to have peace. The conference was requested by the Puritans.

    A PURITAN minister requested a new translation of the Bible to be used throughout the English-speaking world. Although apparently the king rejected most Puritan demands, he thought it was a good idea.

    The Geneva Bible was saturated with Calvinist sidenotes and doctrine. The King James Bible was commissioned, the committee began work.

    Some KJB critics claim King James wanted the translation to back up his belief in the “divine right of kings” to rule. This speculation is destroyed by the text itself. Jesus called King Herod “that fox”, Jesus showed contempt for Pilate’s claim of power, and the Israel’s first anointed king Saul was overthrown by the second anointed king David. Besides the fact that God himself objected to the demand for a king by the elders of Israel, one Samuel warned against!

    Some KJB-haters claim it is a Catholic-friendly version, while defending modern versions, that always include Catholic theologians in their own supervisory boards. This claim is also refuted by many of the doctrines explicit in the text. And to this day, Catholic authorities reject it, refuse to acknowledge it.

    In fact, there is little doubt that the Roman Catholic hierarchy hated the idea of a vernacular translation. The context is plenty of intrigue. It must have entered into the motivations or timing of the Jesuit-led Gunpowder Plot, the plan to blow up the Parliament building while King James delivered a speech. Their idea was to make England leaderless and make way for a Roman takeover.

    They gave thanks to God for stopping the plot, the very same day. As recently as 1588, when King Philip, encouraged by the Pope Sixtus V, sent the Spanish Armada to England. The weather aided in the defeat of the Spanish Armada, and the Spanish king himself had said that God himself had fought against them.

    • Douay-Rheims Bible preceded the Authorised Bible in common vernacular. Yes. King James started out ecumenically, but then made things quite difficult on Roman Catholics, didn’t much like the Puritans either–but what’s funny is his two sons the succeeded him were Roman Catholic or highly sympathetic towards Rome. Also, it was details Reed illegal to print the Geneva Bible and eventually to own one by decree of the King…seems freedom of the press wasn’t a thing in the kingdom. Funny thing…the Translators (KJV) were only to use notes sparingly and not be doctrinal–yet used as many of the Anglican/Catholic ecclesiastical terms possible, while ADDING to the 2 Samuel 21 text…ALL other translations translate the MSS. copies as is here adding a note for clarity. Which is wrong? Doesn’t KJV Only folks like to quote Revelation–do not add or take from the words of this book? How about shame and nakedness? Isa 47:3 KJV Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man. What is the shame that shall be seen because of nakedness? Did not Adam and Eve try to cover their shame with fig leaves? How do you cover shame with leaves? Jer 13:26 KJV Therefore will I discover thy skirts upon thy face, that thy shame may appear. What is meant by shame here? If one pulls up their skirts over their heads with no underwear, they will be showing what? Their nakedness, they expose their shame. The Geneva Bible is a fine translation and I am not against the KJB. But, there is some wonderful treasures in the first real study bible…The Geneva Bible…men risked their lives fleeing Bloody Mary to get it out there…have a little respect for them.

  6. Why is it KJV only people are the only people gullible enough to believe in a phony mandela effect? If you are gullible enough to believe that why would anyone take anything else you have to say seriously?

    • WHY do you think I believe the Mandela Effect Hoax? I don’t think I even discuss it on this website. Is it really true that KJV only people are the only ones who swallowed the Mandela effect hoax? And do all KJV people believe it? I reject Mandela effect as I do Flat Earth. I believe there exists a sponsored disinformation program by some government agency to discredit Bible believing Christians. It’s called “Cognitive Infiltration”. And FYI, I do NOT believe KJV is error free and can point out what I think is a wrong translation of some verses. And I am not against modern language Bible translations, I just don’t like it when certain key prophecies are mistranslated based on bias and false teaching. The translation of Daniel 9:27 is a classic example. Please see https://www.jamesjpn.net/eschatology/daniel-927-grossly-mistranslated-in-modern-versions/

  7. Hi saints. Here is my own study on the Geneva Bible. In contrast to others here I DO believe the King James Bible is the complete and inerrant words of God. If you are not KJB only, then by default, you do not believe that any Bible in any language you can show us is now or ever was the complete and inerrant words of God and you are your own authority.

    The Deficiencies of the Geneva Bible.

    https://brandplucked.webs.com/deficientgeneva.htm

    “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Luke 8:8

    God bless.

  8. Mark 11 Geneva bible
    22 And Jesus answered, and said unto them, Have the faith of God.
    I heard a whole sermon on this passage today. It is also found in the literal translation. Of God means something different than IN God.
    I also am very moved to read in John in the Geneva bible, the water OF life, rather than living waters. Also a big difference to me, as well.
    I am confused what to read. I don’t like how this Cambridge I have has a red perimeter and black cover. I find more meaning in the Geneva passages but then I read people saying the mistakes in the Geneva are unacceptable.
    Hhhmmm. I am new to this.

    • No translation is perfect! There are mistakes in the Geneva Bible but there are verses that I consider better translated in the Geneva Bible than the KJV. For example, Romans 1:27 in denunciation of homosexual acts between men says in the KJV:

      “men with men working that which is unseemly”

      The Geneva Bible says:

      “and man with man wrought filthiness”

      I would say the Geneva Bible is better, clearer, and definitely stronger in this verse!

  9. Hopefully there is interest in this Topic still. Has anyone noticed the Difference in Ephesians the Whole Armor of God in verse 12, From Geneva to KJV?

    KJV Esphesians 6:12
    For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    Geneva 1560 Ephesians 6:12
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, *and against the worldly gouernours*, the princes of the darkenesse of this worlde, against spirituall wickednesses, which are in ye hie places.

    I went ahead and marked “*” where they took out text.

    the text reads, “and against the worldly governors”

    Can anybody else find more scriptures that were ommitted based on Jesus Christ and his scriptures being a threat to governments and people in the high places?

    My email: moc.liamgnull@33orevirodrareg
    I’m also on Facebook, Gerardo Rivero. im in a black shirt on my profile picture.

    Thank you in Advance, May God Bless You, And Give You Confidence To Speak And Seek Boldy! We May Be Living a Revised Truth, Just Seeking Unrevised Truth. God Bless Your Souls To Keep!

  10. Re: naked and shame
    yes! in Genesis 2, adam & eve were both naked and not ashamed because they have not disobeyed God’s Command.
    so in Genesis 3, when they disobeyed God’s Command immediately they saw/felt naked(shame).
    Geneva Bible in my opinion is correct to use the word “shame”.
    any wrong negative uncomfortable thing makes one feel shame and naked can mean just not wear clothes.

  11. Yes shame is the correct expression of exposed sin, in my view. Must say that the more I look into the KJV the more I am drawn to the Geneva 1599.
    If the Septuagint was a ‘hoax’ and the apocryphal books came out of it, can anyone explain why Enoch is cited in the NT? It’s my one unanswered query, in order to finally debunk the idea that Jesus read it.

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