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MATTHEW 24 --Post-Tribulation Rapture!

By David Brandt Berg
Jesus returns AFTER the Great Tribulation!

WE'RE CONTINUING NOW THE STUDY OF MATTHEW 24 in which Jesus Himself tells us exactly what's going to happen during this period, this last three-and-a-half years of World history, the last three-and-a-half years of the Antichrist reign, the Great Tribulation. He tells us exactly what is going to be the cue when it begins, and that will tell us exactly when it ends, because it lasts exactly three-and-a-half years. This is said several times in the Bible.

Jesus tells us that the Great Tribulation will begin with the setting up of the abomination of desolation, the Image of the Beast, in the holy place. He speaks of it as the Abomination of Desolation and we find out it's an Image of the Beast in Revelation, 13th Chapter. And Daniel speaks of it as well, and they all speak of it as occurring at the same time, exactly in the middle of the seven-year reign of the Antichrist, at the beginning of the last half, which is three-and-a-half years.

During the Tribulation things will get so bad that many people will think it's time for Jesus to come, especially the Church people who were taught that He was supposed to come before the Tribulation. They're going to wait and expect to see Him come any day!

BUT JESUS WARNS NOT TO EXPECT HIM SOONER THAN HAS BEEN PREDICTED, but that there will be many people who will try to deceive the people, false Christs and false prophets who will try to deceive you into thinking either that they are Christ or that Christ is coming nearby somewhere, He is here or there. And He finally says, "Don't believe any of them, because when I come you'll know it!" The sky will light up like permanent lightning from one end to the other, and there will be such a sign in the Heaven that you couldn't possibly mistake the fact that Jesus is coming!

NOT ONLY THAT, THE GREATEST SIGN THAT JESUS IS COMING and HAS COME IS THAT YOU WILL START FLOATING, YOU WILL START LEVITATING! Suddenly your feet won't be able to touch the ground, you'll start floating upward. And He will gather you together to His Body, and we will meet Him in the air! This is spoken of a number of times in God's Word. It is spoken of in the first chapter of Acts also, and spoken of in 1st Thessalonians 4th chapter.

SO WHEN IS HE GOING TO COME? Scofield and the Brethren and the Cooneyites, I think they were called, and now today most of the Fundamentalist Evangelical Church having followed Scofield's Bible, have been erroneously teaching that Jesus was going to come before the Tribulation and rapture them out of the Earth before all this trouble begins, before the Antichrist appears. But that's not so! By reading this one chapter alone you can see that that is not so.

BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT THE TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN "WHEN YE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place." When you see it standing there you'll know the Tribulation has begun. And He doesn't say a word about taking you out of here immediately then at all! All He says is He warns everybody to head for the hills! You'd better run, get to your refuge or hiding place, your survival goods! Get out of the cities and out of the populated areas where there's going to be lots of trouble.

GET OUT WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR FOOD HIDDEN and YOUR HIDEAWAY! Stay away from officers of the law of the World kingdom of the Antichrist who are going to try to kill you if you don't worship the Beast and His Image, the Antichrist and his idol. And you won't be able to buy or sell, buy groceries or sell anything to get money to buy them with, so therefore you'd better have'm stashed away someplace where you can find'm and where nobody else can find them!

HE'LL TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN, DON'T WORRY, BUT HE EXPECTS YOU TO DO SOMETHING towards trying to take care of yourself. God doesn't wash your face for you. He doesn't wipe you. He doesn't dress you and undress you. You're not a baby any more. God expects you to do something for yourself. And when He has warned you time and again to be prepared for those days, then it's time you were prepared and you have a hiding place picked out and your survival goods stored there so that you will be able to survive this period as long as possible.

BECAUSE JESUS IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOU OUT OF IT DURING THAT THREE-and-A-HALF YEARS. He may protect you in it, keep you in it, because He needs a witness, and lots of witnesses there to tell the World what's happening!--Even to tell the Church (Editor's note: "Church here refers to Christians who have been decieved by Scofield's pre-rapture doctrine) what's happening, because even the Church will be mystified, because most of them have gotten into that false doctrine, at least the Protestants, that Jesus is going to come before the Tribulation.

HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO COME BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM! We are definitely pre-Millennialists! We are not post-Millennialists. We don't believe that the Church Age today is the Millennium! We do not think that this period from Christ's first coming to the next coming is the Millennium. Because if you read the description--as we will later as we study the Millennium--in many other places and particularly Isaiah, you'll certainly see that if this is the Millennium, you and I don't want any of it!

BECAUSE DURING THE MILLENNIUM, JESUS IS GOING TO REIGN and RULE IN PERSON USING US AS HIS INSTRUMENTS! There's going to be Worldwide peace and Worldwide plenty and no more war! So, if this is the Millennium, then the Prophets sure were wrong! Frankly, I believe God's Prophets, and I think their interpreters, some of the more Modernistic Churches, are wrong who have interpreted that because this Church Age came into such power and such rule over governments, they thought they had struck the Millennium for sure! Well, they're finding out now things didn't turn out as well as they expected and the Church people aren't still running the World as they were for awhile. The Devil's people are now running the World!

ONE OF THE DIRTIEST PIECES OF THE DEVIL'S DIRTY PROPAGANDA has been to deceive Christians into thinking that they're going to get rescued by Jesus out of this World before the Tribulation! They're going to be totally unprepared for it and shocked by it and it's going to shake some of their faith! A lot of Christians who are expecting to get raptured by the Lord and His second coming before the Tribulation are going to get the shock of their lives, because He's not going to do it! He Himself said so! He says right here in the 29th verse, as plain as day:

"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from Heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven: and then shall all of the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory!" ... "And then He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other."

THAT'S WHEN JESUS IS GOING TO COME: AFTER THE TRIBULATION! It says it as plain as day in that 29th verse. Immediately after the Tribulation of those days. It says after the Tribulation shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven. After the Tribulation, then shall all the tribes of the Earth mourn. After the Tribulation they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. After the Tribulation He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect. That's when Jesus is going to come back for His elect, to rapture His Saints, to gather them together!

THAT'S WHEN JESUS IS GOING TO COME FOR YOU and FOR ME, AFTER THE TRIBULATION! In fact, at the very end of the Tribulation, thank God! Not before. Not a day before! He's even got the days numbered in the Scriptures several places we've already studied. The exact number of days from the setting up of that idol of the Antichrist in the holy place in Jerusalem it's going to be 1260 days to the day, God's Word says so!

DON'T BLAME IT ON ME! Don't get mad at me because I'm teaching you that Jesus is going to come after the Tribulation and not before the Tribulation. If you want to get mad at somebody, get mad at Jesus! He's the One that said it! Get mad at the Bible! A lot of people do! They don't like it when I preach'm the Bible. A lot of people get mad at me and they can hardly believe that I'm even reading from the Bible when it's right here, plain as day, it says so! After the Tribulation!

WHEN IS JESUS GOING TO COME?--AFTER THE TRIBULATION! When shall His sign appear in Heaven?--After the Tribulation! And when shall all the tribes of the Earth see Him and mourn? You know, they say it's going to be a secret Rapture, nobody's going to see Him except the saved, nobody's going to know He's come. All of a sudden a bunch of us are just going to disappear and they won't even know what's happened to us! That's what these Secret Rapturists teach! That's what these Cooneyites teach--they're a little bit looney if you ask me! Kooky, or Looney, whatever!

THAT'S WHAT THESE SCOFIELDITES TEACH, Moody Bible Institute, Los Angeles Bible Institute, the Brethren Denomination and virtually all the Full-Gospel and Fundamentalist and Evangelical Churches are teaching this Pre-Trib Rapture!--And they got it straight out of Scofield's Bible, a Bible that has led millions of people astray from the Truths of Bible Prophecy! (--The KJV with Scofield's notes and interpretations!)

THE CHURCH NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF SUCH A THING UNTIL ABOUT 200 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS FALSE DOCTRINE FIRST APPEARED IN ENGLAND. Think of that! Back in the late 1700s as I recall. The Church had never thought of such a thing. But all of a sudden it sounded so good, "Oh boy, we won't have to go through the Tribulation after all!" In fact, I think some Pentecostal preacher got some false prophecies and messages in tongues and interpretation that the Church wouldn't have to go through the Tribulation after all! Well, he didn't get that from the Lord and he didn't get it from the Bible, so I don't know where he got it from!

NOW DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME, I BELIEVE IN THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT, BUT THAT GUY REALLY GOT THROWN A RINGER and THAT WAS A REAL DUD! Because it's not so, it didn't check with the Bible! But he began to cheer up a lot of Christians who were a little bit worried about not being able to make it through the Tribulation. He said, "Don't worry, Jesus is going to come and take you out before the Tribulation." Well, that naturally became a very popular doctrine, just what everybody had been waiting to hear! Just what all the Church had been waiting to hear to be relieved, they thought, of having to be tested and tried and purified and purged and made white during the Tribulation.

THEY'D JUST AS SOON GO TO HEAVEN DIRTY LIKE THEY ARE!--The stinking filthy, dirty, sinning Christians that they are! Disobedient, rebellious, selfish, not sacrificing, not helping missions, much less becoming a missionary, not forsaking all for the Lord to serve Him, not witnessing, not winning souls, not passing out tracts, they don't want to do any of these things. They've been just living selfishly for themselves and their pretty little church and giving their pretty little pennies! My Grandfather used to come home from church when he was a poor preacher and look at the offering and quoted with the Apostle Paul: "Alexander the coppersmith hath done me much harm." (2Ti.4:14.) 'Cause it was mostly pennies!

WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY TRUE, SUCH PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY READY TO GO and they certainly wouldn't stand up very well in the Tribulation, so they want Jesus to come and rescue them out of it before. So this became a very popular doctrine, the Pre-Trib Rapture, and it just spread like wildfire all across the World and across the ocean, clear into America and all over America, and particularly the Brethren denomination took it up. And when they took over Torrey Bible Institute in Los Angeles and Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, they started teaching it there too.--Scofield was its Pastor!

THEY BEGAN TO INFILTRATE ALL BIBLE INSTITUTES and BIBLE COLLEGES IN THE UNITED STATES, TEACHING THIS SAME DOCTRINE. And then Scofield did his masterful piece of deceit and got out his Scofield Bible, and that really finished it up! It misled nearly every Christian in the United States into thinking Jesus was going to come before the Tribulation and rapture him out of it.

WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE BY WHAT WE'VE READ HERE, JESUS SAID AFTER THE TRIBULATION HE'S GOING TO COME! After the Tribulation you'll see Him in the heavens! After the Tribulation He's going to gather together His elect. After the Tribulation! Not a minute before, not a minute before the end of it. It's going to last three-and-a-half years and you're going to have to go through all of it or die, one or the other! So take your choice.--Or die before it.

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Jeff (US) says...
[Great blog. Saw this on the net!] Left Behind's Jerry Jenkins: Casino Hypocrite! by Bruce Rockwell Jerry Jenkins, board chairman of anti-casino gambling Moody Bible Institute, has been casino gambling while telling students they can't! Jenkins (along with Tim LaHaye who's been chummy with "blasphemous" Moonies!) knows how to make a fortune by promoting the pretribulation rapture! First, some background. As you may know, pretrib began in Scotland in 1830. The earliest developers, ... Read More
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Thank you, Jeff, for your input! It's a valuable resource. I think most people who believe pre-rapture doctrine do not know of the diabolical history behind it.
18th September 2014 4:44pm
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Jodie (Douglas, US) says...
brothers and sisters.... pause for a moment and consider a pattern that followed most ancient believers throughout the bible... GOD did not take people out of their horrible persecutions...he protected them
Through it. That very fact makes me a non-pre-tribber!
19th August 2014 6:48am
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kirkaldy (Canada) says...
Brother JJ:

A welcome rush of fresh air from you. Don't buckle under the negative comments. Hatred of our Lord often comes in the guise of the nicest, sweetest, seemingly sincere Christians for whom ignorance of God's Word is a high calling. They will cleave to Darby's doctrine like barnacles to the hull of a fishing boat. Nothing can scrape them off that damned boat. They'll perish with it, gleefully.
24th June 2014 11:31am
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Marcus (US) says...
To me, Matt. 24:29-31 seems to make clear that Jesus is coming back once(at His second coming). Why else would He have to send His angels to gather up(after/towards the end of the great tribulation period) His elect if they are already gone? The pre-trib rapture theory says that they are already gone, so how can they be harvested after/during the trib if they went during the pre-trib? Any other reference can be tied in with that I believe. When Jesus does come again in the clouds, I believe ... Read More
28th May 2014 6:59pm
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Eric (US) says...
Matthew 24:29 is referring to the harvest at the end of the age and has absolutely nothing to do with the rapture of the church. Look to the Old Testament for the scriptural interpretation of "from the four winds". This is a direct parallel to Leviticus 23:22, leaving the four corners of the field, the "gleanings". A study of Leviticus 23, the seven Feasts of the Lord is really something the church must begin to understand. If you do a word study, the original Hebrew word for "Feasts or ... Read More
Admin:

Let us look closely at some verses, comparing Matthew 24:29-31 with Revelation 6:12-17:

Immediately after the distress of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31)

I watched as he opened the sixth seal. ... The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. ... Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?" (Revelation 6:12,13,15-17)
There is a clear parallel between Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 6:12-17. Soon after the opening of the Sixth Seal, unbelievers will run and hide, having seen the face of Jesus on His throne in the air, knowing that God's wrath is imminent. It will begin with the opening of the Seventh Seal (Revelation 8:1). It is when the world sees Jesus in the air that He will gather and catch up His believers at the Rapture, thereby protecting them from the wrath to come. This will not be a "secret" and "silent" event. Would Jesus not have described, in detail, one of the greatest and most important events in human history—the Rapture of believers? I believe He would have, and I believe He did so in Matthew 24:30,31.
19th August 2014 11:40am
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Eric Broome (US) says...
To ADMIN, I agree with your logic on letting scripture interpret scripture and the fact that Matt. 24 and Rev. 6, the 6th seal do match up. But I assure you this is not the rapture, it has already taken place. This is the sealing the the 144,000 elect. Don't stop at Rev. Ch. 6 - please, let's continue the comparison. __________________________________ Matt. 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and <b>then shall all the tribes of the earth ... Read More
19th September 2014 2:22pm
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Eric (US) says...
I cannot believe there is so much confusion and controversy over the rapture - people just don't know the Bible. Quit arguing and read. Old Testament, New Testament INCLUDING Revelation. The Bible is VERY clear that the church will be taken out of this world before Rev. 6:1 occurs. Rev. 4:1 is a picture of the rapture, match it up with scriptures, "Called Up, Trumpet, Open Door, etc.". The 24 elders (Rev. Ch 4 & 5) represent the church and we are shown this in the Old Testament with the 24 ... Read More
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I cannot believe you wrote what you wrote while totally ignoring the content of this article.

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

I prefer the simple and clear wording of Matthew 24:29-31 to a complicated interpretation of God's Word.

Fact: It was Jesuit priests who first started to promote the false teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture!

If you will check the counter reformation move of Papal Rome in the 16th century after Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the church door in Wittenberg on October 31, 1517. You will find that Pope Leo X authorized three Jesuit Priests to reinterpret Daniel’s 70 weeks of prophecy; the Book of Revelation; and Ezekiel. The goal of these Jesuits was to take the heat of the Protestant Reformation away from the papacy. The three Jesuits were:

  1. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) of Salamanca – futurism/rapturists
  2. Luis de Alcazar (1554-1621) of Seville – praeterism
  3. Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine (1542-1621) – followed Ribera’s school of thought.

The futurists rapture doctrine originated and was submitted by Francisco Ribera in 1585. His Apocalyptic Commentary was on the grand points of Babylon and Anti-christ which we now call the futurists or rapture doctrine. Ribera’s published work was called “In Sacram Beati Ionnis Apostoli ” Evangelistate Apocoalypsin Commentari (Lugduni 1593). You can still find these writings in the Bodleian Library in Oxford England.

Ribera’s futurist interpretation rocked not only the Protestant church , but also the Catholic church so the Pope ordered it buried in the archives out of sight. Unfortunately, over 200 years later a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury by the name of S. R. Maitland (1792-1866) was appointed to be the Keeper of the Manuscripts at Lambeth Palace, in London, England. In his duties, Dr. Maitland came across Francisco Ribera’s futurists/rapture teaching and he had it republished for the sake of interest in early 1826 with follow ups in 1829 and 1830. This was spurred along with the Oxford Tracts that were published in 1833 to try and deprotestantize the Church of England.

John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) (A Leader of the Plymouth Brethren) became a follower of S.R. Maitland’s prophetic endeavors and was persuaded. Darby’s influence in the seminaries of Europe combined with 7 tours of the United States changed the eschatological view of the ministers which had the trickle down effect into the churches. Darby’s/Ribera’s teachings were embraced radically by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921). Scofield adopted Darby’s/Ribera’s school of prophetic thought into the Scofield Reference Bible of 1909 which was heralded as the “book of books”.

Another contributor to the rapturist’s chaotic prophetic line of thought came through Emmanuel Lacunza (1731-1801), a Jesuit priest from Chile. Lacunza wrote the “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” around 1791. It was later published in London in 1827. The book was attributed to a fictitious author name Rabbi Juan Josafat BenEzra. Reverend Edward Irving (1792-1834) contended that it was the work of a converted Jew and proved that even the Jewish scholars embraced a pre-tribulation rapture line of thought. It wasn’t long until he had persuaded others to follow his line of thought which gave birth to the Irvingites (per your reference to Margaret McDonald).

In March 1830, in Port Glasgow, Scotland, 15 year old Margaret McDonald made claim of her visions. Robert Norton published Margaret’s visions and prophecies in a book entitled, “The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets in the Catholic Apostolic Church” (London, 1861). Although the modern day view of every believer being taken away in a rapture is different from all of the thoughts that came before it, there is little doubt to it’s error.

Lacunza casserted that only those believers that partake of the sacrament of the Eucharist would be raptured; while Margaret McDonald said the rapture would only take those that were filled with the Holy Spirit; and Norton claimed that only those that had been sealed with the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands would be raptured. Definitely confusion ensued. John Darby, an ordained deacon in the Church of England, was acquainted with Edward Irving and had visited Margaret McDonald during the time of her visions. Combined with the knowledge he had gained from S.R. Maitland/Ribera’s teachings and the new push from Irving/McDonald/Lucunza’s teachings, Darby used the rapture theory to bring a clean break from the lethargic Church of England.

14th May 2014 6:04am
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Eric (US) says...
Nothing in Matthew 24 discounts a pre-trib rapture of the church. There is a difference between the church, the bride of Christ, and tribulation saints (aka the elect). Why is the church called the ecclesia 20+/- times in Rev. Chapters 1-3 not to be used again in the rest of the book? It makes no sense. The elect or saints are not the same as the ecclesia. Jesus will return, at his second coming, at the end of the tribulation. The angels will gather those who made it through, from the four ... Read More
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You are believing the teching of Cryus Scofield who makes a difference between the Bride of Christ and the Elect. You say the elect or saints are not the same as the eccleasia. The Bible says they are:


Romans 8:33  Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Colossians 3:12  ¶Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Titus 1:1  ¶Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
1 Peter 1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Paul is talking to the Church in those Scriptures.

Cryus Scofield was a deceiver and false teacher. See http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm
29th May 2014 1:23am
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murray hobbis (Canada) says...
The Scriptures have to be taken as a whole in order to understand what God is saying. Like Luke 21;36 Watch ye therefore and Pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all the things that shall come to pass and stand before the Son of Man. Revelations 3; 1-6 If you do not watch and repent He will come on you as a thief ( 2 Peter 3;10 Matthew 24;29 ) and if you do not overcome He will take your name out of the book of life.. There is a reward for watching the crown of righteousness ... Read More
16th April 2014 3:50am
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Jon (US) says...
Hal Lindsey's Pretrib Rapture "Proof" Is Hal Lindsey's proof for a pretrib rapture "100 proof" - that is, 100 percent Biblical? In "The Late Great Planet Earth" (p. 143) Lindsey gives his "chief reason" for pretrib: "If the Rapture took place at the same time as the second coming, there would be no mortals left who would be believers" - that is, no believers still alive who could enter the millennium and repopulate the earth. We ... Read More
15th March 2014 2:52pm
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Rev Brian Kinlaw (Eppingen, Germany) says...
@newoel, you said you feel in this article "It seems that there's much grudge or hate here in this article" I don't really see this, but I hate lies and liars. Those who promote this Pre-trib lie are of the Devil, teaching doctrine of Demons. Where is the Rapture for millions of Christians in muslim countries who are persecuted and murdered every day for there testimony? Prophets must humble themselves before the Lord... not satan and his minister of light spreading a lie ... Read More
9th March 2014 6:12pm
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Clinton Childers (Bremen Ga., US) says...
I would like to comment on the words we will meet Him in the air. To meet in the common or classical Greek means to continue in the same direction as the person you are meeting up with is going.
As most can't work with the Greek I thought you would find this interesting.
God bless
7th March 2014 9:08am
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neweol (Philippines) says...
Jesus will come again, I believe that; I do not know when. While I read and seek which view to take, I am a bit bothered with how this article was written. Jesus, the One we wait for, commanded us to humble ourselves, serve each other, and prepare ourselves for His glorious coming. It seems that there's much grudge or hate here in this article. This article does not seem to show humility. It does not seem to speak the truth in love.
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Dear Neweol,

There is much grudge and hate in the article against who and what? It's all directed at the Devil and his lies! Which would you rather hear, "Go back to sleep, brothers and sisters, and don't worry about a tribulation. Jesus will take you up to Heaven before that happens!" Or would you hear, "You better wake up, brothers and sisters, and prapare for great tribulation!" As for me, I would rather hear rather than lies! Give the truth is people IS LOVING THEM!
25th February 2014 2:23pm
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Jon (US) says...
[I saw this goodie on the web. Enjoy!] PRETRIB RAPTURE STEALTH ! Many evangelicals believe that Christ will "rapture" them to heaven years before the second coming and (most importantly) well BEFORE Antichrist and his "tribulation." But Acts 2:34, 35 reveal that Jesus is at the Father's right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His earthly foes at the second coming. And Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father "until the times of ... Read More
26th July 2013 8:09am
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Irv (US) says...
PRETRIB RAPTURE SCHOLARSHIP ! How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 2:34,35 reveal that Jesus stays at the Father's right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His foes at the second coming to earth. Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father "until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s ... Read More
13th July 2013 2:12pm
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kevin (US) says...
Its a shame that satan could fool so many "christians" with the bible. The great falling away will be caused by pretrib belief. When the trib happens and those that believe in pretrib dny get raptuered they will shake their fists at God and curse Him saying "You lied to me"when when really it was satan that lied thru mans false teachings.
22nd March 2013 4:58am
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Webmaster James (Japan) says...
Thank you for your comments! But Satan didn't fool the Christians with the Bible, he fooled them with *false teachers* of the Bible. God's Word does not teach pre-tribulation rapture. The Church has already been tribulated for centuries!
25th March 2013 9:14am
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BDSGR (US) says...
I believe you have this absolutely correct!!
22nd November 2013 4:48am
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Wu Siu Yan (Kowloon, Hong Kong) says...
I sent you an email some days ago, and you said that there is no pre-tribulation rapture, and gave the link to this webpage.

I read some of your arguments.

I am not \\\\\\\"pre-tribulation rapture\\\\\\\" believer, I believe, from [Matthew 24] and [Revelation], by comparing the events, that rapture will occur after the 6th seal is opened but before the 7th seal is opened.

Wu Siu Yan
10th January 2013 6:54pm
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jimmy (Malaysia) says...
Dear Admin.,
Please explain forum in the internet
is not a public forum.
Thank you
28th December 2012 12:22pm
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Jimmy says...
Thank you.
There is another group of \"elect\"
chosen in the Spirit.

Eph.1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
You and I may be in this group. Praise the Lord !

21st November 2012 4:52pm
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Jimmy says...
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The “elect” Jesus mentioned was His chosen people in the flesh and their descendants are still living today Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Zechariah 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have ... Read More
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Romans 8:33  \"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God\'s elect? It is God that justifieth.\" Who was the Apostle Paul taking to in the book of Romans?  \"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.\" (Romans 1:7) All that be in Rome means not only Jews, but, and probably especially, Romans, Gentiles of whom God called Paul to be an Apostle to!

The elect are the children of Abraham by faith, not of the flesh.

Galatians chapter 3:
6  ¶Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7  Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Thank you for your imput, Jimmy, but please know I will not debate this point further with you. My website is not a public debate forum. Thank you for understanding.


20th November 2012 11:28pm
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Grace says...
It is clear now that according to God’s Word Matthew 24:31 will be the coming fulfillment of an Old Testament prophecy. It is interesting to note that the Elect will not be gathered to Jerusalem or to the Throne of God but to the wilderness. As it is to happen after the Great Tribulation Jerusalem is still in the hand of the Antichrist and the False Prophet. 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 ; 2 Thessalonians 2:1 ;1 Corinthians 15:52 usually apply to the Rapture and the Lord had revealed it to ... Read More
23rd November 2012 12:32am
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Jimmy says...
Grace,the gathering to the wilderness will only be temporary until the Abomination of Desolation has been eliminated at the end of 1290 days. The Rapture verses you quoted referred to the coming Caught Up of the body of Christ which is the Church. In order to find out whether or not the Church will be caught up after the Great Tribulation we can look up for the verses which showed that they were in Heaven. Then study them : For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, ... Read More
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Brother,, the Scriptures given in this class are very clear. Matthew 24 states Matthew 24:29  \"Immediately after the tribulation of those days ... And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.\"

Christians have been tribulated throughout the ENTIRE history of the Church and continue to be tribulated to this VERY DAY! No amount of rationalazation of the Holy Word of God by you or anybody else is going to change that.

John 16:33  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Who was Jesus talking to in John 16:33? Us, my brother.

From Acts to Jude there are 9 verses with the word tribulation. Who was tribulated? Christians!

Acts 14:22  Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Romans 2:9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Romans 5:3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 8:35  Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 12:12  Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
2 Corinthians 1:4  Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2 Corinthians 7:4  Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
1 Thessalonians 3:4  For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
2 Thessalonians 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

Think that American YOU will escape tribulation? You have been deceived to think that. Tell an Iraqi Christian he will escape the tribulation. He may say, \"It\'s already begun for us here in Iraq.!

This is not a public forum. No more posts on this subject from you will be allowed.

God bless you and help you to prepare for the coming worldside persecution of the saints of God!
26th November 2012 12:39am
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gabby (Vancleave, US) says...
Well you completly avoided verse 14 from Matthew 24..it states there that the rapture will happen before the tribulation begins
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You says Matthew 24:14 says the rapture will happen before the tribulation? In context:

Matthew 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Who is Jesus telling to flee? He is talking to His elect, His Church, the Bride of Christ. Verse 14 definently is not talking about the rapture. Moreover, there are many verses in the Bible that show the Saints were presecuted in the tribulation. Why is it called \"tribulation\"? It\'s the tribulation of the SAINTS! But this is not the same as the wrath of God at the very END of the 7 year rule of the Antichrist. Please see my Bible class for details.

http://jamesjpn.net/index.php/2012/06/27/time-line-of-events-of-the-last-7-years-of-the-rule-of-man/

30th July 2012 12:10am
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G Browning (Fredericksburg, US) says...
Matthew 24:14-17 is talking about the 70 AD persecution and destruction of the temple when the Christians flew to the mountains.
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A prophecy can have more than one fulfillment. Matthew 24:14-17 will have an ultimate final fulfillment as well.

21st January 2014 12:51pm
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Gavin Wyatt (Townsville, Australia) says...
Thank you for this article and lesson it sums up the truth of the Tribulation and the coming of our Lord Jesus, very well. I do think though a little more needs to be said about the confusion around the definition of "tribulation". Why? You may ask ..... Because I have found many that follow Scofield's false teachings, have it mixed up with the Wrath of God and that the tribulation extends to the end of the Wrath of God. Just to be clear. Shalom your brother in Christ . Gavin
2nd April 2014 9:35am
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Izzy (Canada) says...
Michael of new Zealand states that he\'s been studying his bible for months doesn\'t seem to mind contradicting the author who\'s given his entire life to Christ and has million of saved souls thru his ministry.Of course when the ac declares himself God many nations and peoples will reject this claim and fight for their ways of worship.That\'s why it\'s such a time of trouble.Many will survive right into the millenium and that\'s who we will be teaching and helping in the 1000 yr. Reign Anyways ... Read More
22nd July 2012 6:23pm
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Michael (Auckland, New Zealand) says...
You say the rapture occurs at the same time as Christ is returning in Glory.So if that is the case you say that the righteous are taken first and the wicked left.Please read Luke 17:34-37 and Mat24:37-41.These verses say that the wicked are taken first and the righteous are left.The order is wrong for the rapture.There is no post tribulation rapture.Lets suppose there is.We all get glorified bodies right and will rule with Christ for 1000 years right.The Bible is quite clear that all the wicked ... Read More
20th April 2012 4:11am
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Michael (Auckland, New Zealand) says...
In Answer to Karen. first of all the women in Rev 12 is not the church but Israel because in v5 this women brought forth a man child,who is Christ,in other words Christ came from the line of Israel and she did not come from the church. Now to 11Thess.The day of Christ is the same as the day of the Lord which happens at the end of the tribulation so you are right that that day will not come until the antichrist is revealed.The Holy Spirit has to step out of the way v7 before the antichrist is ... Read More
19th April 2012 5:27pm
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Michael (Acukland, New Zealand) says...
I have studied the Bible very deeply now for monthes and I have to say that I have renounced the post trib view as It just does not fit scripture.I used to quote parrot fashion the same verses POst tribs use to prove their point but I have now moved to the pre trib rapture because if you really seek the Lord and study deeply not just on the surface you will see that the post trib rapture is false.The post trib rapture is not even mentioned in Rev 19 when Jesus returns with us following on white ... Read More
19th April 2012 4:35am
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Karen Lane (Gosport, UK) says...
I suggest that you go back to your bible and study some more because Rev 12:13-17 speaks of a woman which is the church, ( the bride of christ) being nourished for a time, and times, and half a time which is 3 1/2 years during the tribulation. Paul in 2 Thes 2:3 speaking of the gathering of the second coming says that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. He sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be ... Read More
19th April 2012 8:30am
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Michael (Auckland, New Zealand) says...
Hi Karen, To Answer your comments made on 20th April. First of all the women in Rev 12 in not the church but Israel because in v5 it says she brought forth a man child who will rule the nations with a rod of iron.The man child is Christ so Christ came from the line of Israel(the women) and not from the church.In v6 the women(Israel)fled into the wilderness where she is fed and looked after for 1260 days.This ties in with Matt 24:16-20 when the Israelites fled into the wilderness at the ... Read More
22nd April 2012 11:09pm
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Webmaster James (Japan) says...
You say the post trib doctrine is false. Matthew 24 is also false? It says, 29  Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30  And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 ... Read More
26th April 2012 11:39pm
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Watchmen for Christ (US) says...
Jesus Christ warns in Matt 24:4-5 false Christs come claiming to be HIM HE continues in 21-31 to explain their coming IS the tribulation and AFTER them HE returns and THEN HE sends HIS angels to gather we the elect bride together (we MUST overcome and REFUSE the false Christs leading to satan on the mount) those who reject this teaching of Jesus Christ reject TRUTH/HIM who sent Christ! paul says in II thess 2 those who love not the truth that they might be saved (from the winepress of Wrath) ... Read More
27th December 2012 4:57am
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Ken LEe (US) says...
I was also mislead by the per-rapture propaganda, I'm so angry about this because this will cause Christians to become idle. In their mind, they are thinking, it doesn't matter, I'm just waiting for Jesus to take me out, I could careless about the devil running everything and taking our rights away because Jesus will take me out soon. 2nd thing is.. Christians will be weak and unprepared. Many are not working for God anymore. Majority of Christians actually don't tell others about Christ. ... Read More
6th March 2012 2:48am
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John says...
BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT THE TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN "WHEN YE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,- it is written the tribulation begins before abomination Mat 24:9,Luk 21:20,Dan 9:26,Rev 11:2-note without temple 2Th 2:4 note sets in temple Luk 21:12 note but before all these
20th February 2012 11:46am
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Jonathan says...
Preach on brother!
10th December 2011 4:59pm
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James Japan (Niigata, Japan) says...
I have received many favorable comments about this article. Matthew 24:29-31 clearly says \\\"Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days ... and He shall gather His elect from the four winds ...\\\" Those who disagree, I suggest considering crossing out the word after in verse 29 and write before in its place. But seriously, if you truly love God\\\'s Word, I\\\'m sure you will not do that!
24th October 2011 11:47pm
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